Fallout : El Dorado
I was directed the the BNW Elsa thread a few days ago. I was, until recently, staff for Fallout : El Dorado. I also helped build on her other game: Resident Evil :Redefined but I was mercifully left out of Eden's Lost: The Downward Spiral. This person apparently loves colons.
Anyway.. Having read through the previous thread, I can pretty much guarentee that Elsa is the person you all are talking about. Kitten on RE:R, Vault Girl on FO:ED and Lillith on EL:DS are all cut from the same cloth as this Elsa person, and she's managed to get people to subscribe to a Patreon (though right now, a lot of them are in the process of dropping it, because of her bad behaviour). https://www.patreon.com/thedownwardspiral
I used to wonder why she couldn't get staff to stay. Mind you, I kept channels blocked at least 90 percent of the time if I could help it. But she literally went through at least 25 staffers who left because of how she would act. It probably didn't help that she would describe us as un-dedicated and stupid. That's why she wouldn't teach anyone how to help with jobs.
I created this thread to allow people who were screwed with to either vent their frustrations or show the thing(s) that made them quit . I myself will post some as well. My clients autolog, and I've watched her abuse people and tried to mitigate the damage, without success for a few months now. After reading that thread about Elsa, I realized that this is a pattern that has long been established and won't change.
I saw a post on the Elsa thread about Vault Girl saying that she didn't want a hug. The reason she didn't want a hug? She was over an hour late for a scheduled scene, and was fussing about it on the public channel. Then she decided to resort to pages. I was at work when this all happened, but for some reason she included me in the pages to the person she was pissed at. Here is the log : https://pastebin.com/kHszu4kb
Then Vault Girl/Alice decided to take a bunch of PC's on a "trip". We lost about 4 PC's during that trip because of her attitude. Here are two pastebins of her being fucky there as well:
I'm sure there are a lot of people who once played there and have a story to share. Since my client autologs, I have more as well. I hope people won't play there, it's a toxic environment that is only getting worse. Especially since a PC is allowed free reign to page females (usually as soon as they hit CG) and effectively describe how he is going to dominate and "train" them, and when he is complained about ..nothing happens. This was after Vault Girl assured staff that Ashur is not permitted to page anyone he doesn't know OOCly. We should have really known better.
So if you do decide to log in to this game, beware of Alice/Vault Girl/Ashur, ect.
breaks out the popcorn and the lawn chair, secures a front row seat to the shitshow
@tuxsaimasmoo Any females (or people playing female names) that try this game need to beware of the bit Ashur. He has a harem and absolutely zero lines between IC and OOC. He has crossed more lines than I care to think about with me personally and it was insinuated by Vaultgirl that I was the liar. She will not discipline him. She will not protect her female player base from his harassment and recently has 'asked' in a 'clean slate initiative' that everyone un-pagelock anyone they have on lock. Asking abuse victims to remove the restraining order essentially. Obviously, that's not going to fly. I don't need to go into explicit details about what went on with this Ashur, but it wasn't pretty. And it wasn't just me. There is a pattern of abuse from him (overtly sexual in nature) and a pattern of abuse from Vaultgirl (not sexual in nature but pure vitriolic hatred whenever she feels slighted by even the most mundane of things) I have read through the other above indicated thread as well and the entire time there was deja vu with behavior patterns. And when Elsa responded to the thread, the speech patterns matched as well. I'm kind of afraid that she might figure out who I am and come down on me yet again but at this point, there is little to no fun in this game. Speaking on channels is like playing Russian roulette. You never know when you might take a bullet for a benign comment.
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My experiences with her have been blissfully short and wonderfully kept to only two games - Comux and her comic game that came after she ragequit that game. I refuse to be on any game that she runs or is a player on after dealing with her crazy on those games. A friend had invited me to play on this game and I luckily remembered that she is head staff there before I put any time/effort into apping there.
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I'm afraid I don't have anything to add, because I literally logged in twice, and both times she was berating players on channel in response to completely innocuous questions, so I never logged in a third time.
This post is deleted!
Welp, I feel edumacated. At least there's another of Ravaun's common alt names to personally avoid in there, if that really is him. I don't recall him doing the drug dealer schtick, more the protective-clingy-possessive of people he's not even involved with thing + 'omg please be preggo for no reason', but kinda whatever.
After seeing other Elsa pastebins of yore, none of the rest surprises me even a little bit.
https://pastebin.com/sgWYJC2B Line 200 or so- her complaining abou how all her 'hard' work is going to be ruined becuase of player agency and then resident Racist and Crazy Ashur going to argue with her.
Newer player asking questions:
Its other peoples fault she abuses them:
Ashur btw is a well known racist who wants to commit genocide on all muslims. Not kidding btw. Wish I had that one saved. These are what I have saved that won't give me away.
Remember my stupid forum topic from way back when? That was about this game, I didn't know who it was. I didn't even think to ask about Elsa.
Edit; And stop upvoting my posts I'm a rare mythical creature with negative reputation for being an idiot! Stoppit! I have to be a snowflake!
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Honestly, it'd been long enough that I'd forgotten just HOW batshit Elsa was/is, but reading those logs brought it all back in vivid detail. Wow. Seriously, if you can get belts in passive-aggression, she would be, like, a grandmaster seventh degree.
[Sun Jul 09 00:28:06 2017] <Public> Ashur says, "Also I think someone said they wanted to buy my porno, but I lost the page in my spam and can't find it. page me again pls"
Please somebody tell me this means something like IC porno mag items that people get (which is weird enough) for some kind of coded morale boost or something, and not 'I was in a porno and have talked about it enough on this game that someone has inquired about purchasing a copy'.
Yes there is a coded Porno Object.. it was meant originally as a joke that has turned into having a mechanical system benefit for learning skills. (Seduction)
The worst part about Fallout:El Dorado.. is that it is fun IN SPITE of VG. The code is great, the single staffer who runs everything is the worst.
Edit: No you God damn monster! My negative rep!
@kireek This is pretty much exactly how I felt about RE:R. So much great code and promise, so much passagg and sabotage and moodswing plot and system balancing. I got tired of all my plot threads vanishing with players and quietly made my RL idle permanent when it all clicked into place and I realized not only was the behavior dysfunctional, but elaborate OOC lies and cover identity detail had been adopted to trick the friend who brought me there, who had negative experience with Elsa, into thinking Kitten/Red Queen was not the same person. So creepy. It's sad because as terrible an admin as they are... A little self awareness and her company and plot/play would be grand. So it goes. The beautiful game was not worth the passagg and abusive behavior-- that was never, ever her wrongdoing.
You son of a bitch Hamster.
A little known fact- Elsa is not the owner of the game. Radlobster and Gnome own the game, and they are slightly more sane. If only they would fucking do something.
@kireek That is... weirdly a relief.
Also, I do remember the post, and how a bunch of folks guessed one way, but I don't even think many folks knew this place existed yet. It wasn't Spider, but it being Elsa is... it's like 'yay, it's not cancer! ...it's Ebola.'
Part of the reason why I didn't want to talk about the game is...
- I didn't want to out myself.
- If I revealed the game or logs, people would know about the game. I wanted to try and keep it a secret. Elsa was for some reason refusing to advertise the game, and I didn't want to spread any word of mouth on this forum. Becuase even for all the hogpit and musoapbox is good for- there is always some dude who goes, you know.. I really want to try fallout or resident evil.. and it can't be THAT bad..
Wow, I swear to god, the Jubilee we banned from m1963 was this lady.
@kireek Gnome doesn't log in anymore and radlobster has been mostly idle due to "work", as Survivor has been as well. They're not going to do anything about what she's doing. They very recently made the third game for her to open to continue her abuse. I certainly didn't want to out myself either, but I'm tired of watching the circus.
@kireek Good lord. Is this the same Gnome from Steel & Stone? He was glaringly easily led by female attention.
Quote from a long time ago.. just to prove I'm a clever little asshole.
"@Auspice Really? Eventually that might have to happen but... Doesn't that risk opening me up to all new sorts of criticisms if I start doctoring things? Quite the conundrum that. Unfortunately if I just change the name, they claim to log everything and will know who I am. Especially problematic is if If I change words around! Eventually that would open me up to different kind of attack where I am misrepresenting them. No thanks!"
R.E.D.Q.U.E.E.N. At the time I thought I was so smart. The thing about RLobster is that he suspects no one else can run the game, if other people offered and also pointed out this reputation negatively effects them.. then there might be change. Maybe.
BTw, if anyone wants to use this code base, be sure to ask Radlobster about it, He is open to it.
@kireek A guy on the game actually went to Radlobster a few months after FO opened and pretty much told him that Kitten/Vault Girl was negatively affecting the game and that she should be removed as headwiz. Sadly, all it got him was a one day ban and a lot of negativity pointed his way since.