Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed)



  • There's no link, because I don't have one, which is why @Ghost is hilarious. It's the same thing we've talked about in the past, but people are busy etc. There was a point where we had someone possibly also interested in helping but I haven't talked to him in a while (he's more @Jealousy's contact than mine), but there hasn't been much motion on it.

    Edit: if it ever happens you'll definitely get word as I know 7S is your jam, but I'm not very focused on it.



  • I realize it's, you know, downright silly of me to ask that anybody respect my wishes about anything, but if you could take the discussion of your 7S game dev to a thread of its own, that'd show at least a minor smidgen of class. Thanks.



  • Blame @Ghost. But I think I've said all that's necessary.



  • @bored And oh so many things that weren't. :)



  • Again: last poo-fling, or be mature and move on. You only get to pick one!



  • @bored What was that about nobody getting up make up the rules in a thread? <head-scratches> I know somebody was going on about that somewhere...



  • It's not a rule of the thread, it's a rule of internet and argument in general. Seriously, keep trying to get in the last jab. It will totally work!


  • Pitcrew

    He was answering a question I had, @surreality. You can call me classless in this one, I don't care as much. But still.

    edit: just a minor correction



  • @bored

    Dude.

    Really?

    Look in the mirror.

    See that person?

    That person is likable.

    You're making that person really hard to like right now.

    Do right by that person.


  • Pitcrew

    @Arkandel

    So this thread inspires a question for you.

    MSB a net positive for the hobby, or nah?

    PostScript: This is not an actual question, I am trolling Ark because it just seemed to work here.

    PostPostScript: @surreality, it sucks that your posting regarding gave dev questions on the Mildly Constructive topic got to the place it did. It would be a shame if you dropped a project you were excited about over people's words -here-. I hope you don't. I hope people keep putting the work into making games because more games to play on is good. It's a lot of time and energy investment to staff on a game much less develop one yourself. The site seems to have established elsewhere that people just being cool to one another is not a thing that can be made to work. I don't have amazing advice, my advice could be shitty. But people being uncool to you here likely has no correlation to what you could create and how much you and others would enjoy it.


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    @Gingerlily said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    @Arkandel

    So this thread inspires a question for you.

    MSB a net positive for the hobby, or nah?

    PostScript: This is not an actual question, I am trolling Ark because it just seemed to work here.

    I think people can disagree, even fight, anywhere. I've seen similar arguments taking place on a public channel, for example.

    MSB doesn't have the exclusive on these things, you know? Sometimes it doesn't go well and folks walk away pissed off. Other times a disagreement can be civil - I don't think @Ghost is hoping I get food poisoning, for example.



  • @Gingerlily said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    @Arkandel

    So this thread inspires a question for you.

    MSB a net positive for the hobby, or nah?

    I'm gonna answer seriously anyway.

    I think there was constructive discussion in this thread before it got bogged down in a fight between @bored and @surreality

    His fault mainly, though there's a point long long ago where I would've just stop responding to shit like this (I'm pretty quick to disengage and do not go back) so, like the drug trade, nobody gets away clean.

    I think I also said previously I wouldn't have brought an idea at this stage to the general populace because I don't think general input is helpful except in either very late (when it's almost an ad thread but you're bug and interest-checking) or very early (actual brainstorming in which no firm ideas are present) stages of development.

    Whether this thread should've been split when it became a dumb fight is a thing I have opinions on, but they're bullshit opinions. I'm neither mod nor person who started this thing.



  • @Arkandel said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    MSB doesn't have the exclusive on these things, you know? Sometimes it doesn't go well and folks walk away pissed off. Other times a disagreement can be civil - I don't think @Ghost is hoping I get food poisoning, for example.

    Being technically correct is not the same as being right, and yeah while I agree that @Ghost danced over a line, I don't think that his (or hers; I honestly don't know) response was out of line for what the thread had become.

    I don't think you need to defend your views on this, but the more you do the more it looks to me like you're nit-picking, that you're missing the forest for the trees.


  • Pitcrew

    @Arkandel said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    @Gingerlily said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    @Arkandel

    So this thread inspires a question for you.

    MSB a net positive for the hobby, or nah?

    PostScript: This is not an actual question, I am trolling Ark because it just seemed to work here.

    I think people can disagree, even fight, anywhere. I've seen similar arguments taking place on a public channel, for example.

    MSB doesn't have the exclusive on these things, you know? Sometimes it doesn't go well and folks walk away pissed off. Other times a disagreement can be civil - I don't think @Ghost is hoping I get food poisoning, for example.

    -Still was not an actual question! But I <3 you.


  • Pitcrew

    @Three-Eyed-Crow said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    @Gingerlily said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    @Arkandel

    So this thread inspires a question for you.

    MSB a net positive for the hobby, or nah?

    I'm gonna answer seriously anyway.

    I think there was constructive discussion in this thread before it got bogged down in a fight between @bored and @surreality

    His fault mainly, though there's a point long long ago where I would've just stop responding to shit like this (I'm pretty quick to disengage and do not go back) so, like the drug trade, nobody gets away clean.

    I think I also said previously I wouldn't have brought an idea at this stage to the general populace because I don't think general input is helpful except in either very late (when it's almost an ad thread but you're bug and interest-checking) or very early (actual brainstorming in which no firm ideas are present) stages of development.

    Whether this thread should've been split when it became a dumb fight is a thing I have opinions on, but they're bullshit opinions. I'm neither mod nor person who started this thing.

    Answering questions that aren't questions can be entertaining and/or used as a segue to add your thoughts and opinions. I never expected to taunt @Arkandel on a public forum in this manner and not have the question responded to anyway. And I'd comment that its derailing from the original topic which isn't very cool of me but it was pretty derailed anyway.



  • @Gingerlily It's dead, Jim. Provided you aren't doing game dev for something else, I don't mind, anyway.



  • @Gingerlily said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    And I'd comment that its derailing from the original topic which isn't very cool of me but it was pretty derailed anyway.

    I was going to poke light fun at @Ghost for participating in the angry derailing this thread after the diatribe in the "MSB Meta Thread" about how derailing threads (mostly advertisement threads) was evil. I was going to ask, "So now do you understand why people might go into an advertisement thread and remind others what this person did elsewhere on the boards?"

    Then I wasn't, because I didn't want to derail the thread any further and I didn't want to be actually mean to Ghost.

    Then I did, because I still like how context changes people's views pretty drastically, I found a way to frame the sentiment as a way that isn't mean, and it's not like I can derail the thread any more.


  • Pitcrew

    @Thenomain said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    @Gingerlily said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    And I'd comment that its derailing from the original topic which isn't very cool of me but it was pretty derailed anyway.

    I was going to poke light fun at @Ghost for participating in the angry derailing this thread after the diatribe in the "MSB Meta Thread" about how derailing threads (mostly advertisement threads) was evil. I was going to ask, "So now do you understand why people might go into an advertisement thread and remind others what this person did elsewhere on the boards?"

    Then I wasn't, because I didn't want to derail the thread any further and I didn't want to be actually mean to Ghost.

    Then I did, because I still like how context changes people's views pretty drastically, I found a way to frame the sentiment as a way that isn't mean, and it's not like I can derail the thread any more.

    It's mockery that is delivered with warmth and love that is the best mockery. The context thing was funny too. I didn't follow up with any 'Thus Proving My Point!!!' because no point gets proven, no consensus agreed upon, and that is all fine with me.



  • @Gingerlily

    I think you and I (and possibly also @Three-Eyed-Crow and probably also @Ghost) are trying to bend the consensus that "non-constructive" doesn't always mean "using insulting words".

    On Wora (since we're now merging this thread and the MSB Meta-Discussion thread), the exact rule was, "Attack the idea, not the person." This is what @Arkandel was reminding people of. I'll be honest I didn't think that @bored's original argument was attacking the person, tho I think that he and @surreality did slip into that without using the same four-letter words that Ghost did.

    Here, the exact phrasing is, "Something besides the equivalent of 'NO YOU'. That shouldn't be hard, right?" But this isn't a rule. We were pretty hard-assed about the rule on Wora, while here we are, coming close to discussing what "constructive" really means. I think we can both agree that "no you" happened before Ghost raised the middle finger.

    But then, we're both +1ing each other so much that people might think we'd need some alone-time. I'm not just preaching to the choir here, though, I promise.



  • @cirim13 said in Strange Game Dev Inquiries from surreality (condensed):

    but how cool would it be to have a character who needs to eat insane amounts of algae for 3-4 weeks of the year but then basically lives on sunshine and has to stay in shallow waters for a year because sunlight...

    It's dead but thumbs up ... The Red Fete ... Part religious, part hook up and make offspring ( lay eggs and fertilize?), part party, then of to wallow in the shallows.

    Edit: typing on phone, spelling bad, fixing


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